I spoke to Semafor‘s Joseph Zeballos-Roig for his piece on the brewing fight over the debt ceiling and why it will be a while before we see much action:

Congress typically doesn’t check an item off its to-do list without the pressure of a deadline and it’s still not clear when the X-date for default lands on the calendar. Like many college students, lawmakers have a tendency to procrastinate — and only scramble to turn in their assignments at the very last minute.

“There’s just not much to talk about until the X-date is close enough to budge people from their current postures and Republicans demonstrate what they can produce the votes for,” Liam Donovan, a former Republican aide, told Semafor. “Until then, Biden and Democrats are content to wait.”

Read the full piece here.

I spoke to Maggie Haberman for her New York Times piece with Michael Bender on Gov. Ron DeSantis’ conspicuous decision not to engage or respond to Donald Trump’s recent spate of personal attacks, and when and whether his containment strategy might shift to direct confrontation.

Some deep-pocketed Republican donors have privately expressed concern about how Mr. DeSantis will perform when forced to directly engage with an opponent as combative and unbothered by traditional rules of decorum as Mr. Trump.

“No Republican has ever emerged from an exchange with Donald Trump looking stronger, so the natural tendency is to deflect his attacks and avoid confrontation,” said Liam Donovan, a Republican strategist.

“That’s easy to do, and maybe even wise when his barbs are confined to Truth Social,” Mr. Donovan added, referring to Mr. Trump’s social media site, where he has fired off many of his attacks. “The question is what happens when DeSantis finds himself on a debate stage opposite Trump, and G.O.P. voters want to see whether they are getting what they were promised.”

Read the full piece here.

I spoke to David Freedlander for his POLITICO Magazine story on the nascent 2024 primary and how the GOP establishment might avoid a reprise of the splintered field that delivered the nomination to Donald Trump.

There may be no convening authority, but there are conversations among donors and party activists who point to how on the other side of the aisle, in 2020, nearly the entire remaining Democratic field dropped out almost at the same time and endorsed Biden. Republicans fret that there is no equivalent of a Nancy Pelosi or a Jim Clyburn in their party who can apply pressure to the dreams of would-be presidents. Still, donors are talking now about pooling money together once the primary gets under way in earnest and a true Trump alternative emerges.

“Donors have wised up,” said Liam Donovan, a GOP strategist. “That is the main control mechanism. There is not going to be oxygen for a lot of these guys, and there are not going to be resources.”

There is already some movement along these lines.

Read the full piece here.

Axios’ Sneak Peek newsletter used a tweet of mine for a news item on the GOP’s approach to the Trump 2024 candidacy.

The Atlantic’s McKay Coppins is out with a piece that captures the central theme of the 2024 GOP primary so far:

• The vast majority of Republicans desperately want to move on from Trump, but none seem to know exactly how to get rid of him.
• Their do-nothing strategy is predicated on “hope” that Trump will be taken out by legal troubles, a donor revolt, boredom with politics — or perhaps something more morbid.

Why it matters: The last three election cycles have bolstered the view that Trump is a liability for Republicans, and his behavior is only growing more erratic.

• Republicans may be able to ignore Trump while his grievances are confined to the MAGA echo chamber that is Truth Social, as GOP strategist Liam Donovan points out.
• But that “ostrich routine” will become less sustainable as Trump ramps up his campaign travel and potentially returns to Facebook and Twitter.

Read the full newsletter here.

I spoke to Sam Brodey of the Daily Beast for his piece on the frosty relationship between the US Chamber of Commerce and congressional Republicans and what impact those dynamics might have on the debt limit fight.

In Washington lobbying circles, there’s not much heartburn over what the GOP’s anti-Chamber moment could mean for its posture on the debt limit.

“This GOP majority has a genuine populist streak that informs their pugilistic pose on the debt limit,” said Liam Donovan, a Republican lobbyist. “But even as they’re less receptive to the corporate community than ever, the bulk of the conference understands the grave economic consequences of a default scenario.”

Donovan argued that while the Chamber might be in the “political penalty box,” lawmakers will be moved by business owners in their districts, many of whom are involved in local chambers of commerce with links to the national organization.

“When it gets to be crunch time, you can bet Main Street will pick up the slack,” he said.

Read the full piece here.